Please chant the Maha-Mantra HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, dance, honor prasadam and your life will be sublime in all respects and at the end we go Back Home Back to Godhead! This is called BHAKTI YOGA, the topmost yoga system!
Both Hayagriva and this humble self and hopefully others as well, have firm faith in Jagat Guru, Srila Prabhupada. But arrogant Jayadvaita does not and proudly displays his false knowledge and simultaneously misleads everyone else, the whole world in fact. As usual, he knows better than Guru.What a maha-aparadhi, this Jayadvaita along with supporters and followers! His pride in his false knowledge carries him not only to insult “the best Vedic scholars” but to insult and betray Guru as well.
“Just look at me, I am Jayadvaita aka Jay Israel, even better than this senile Indian Guru who does not even master English very well and calls Himself (not me spelling “Himself” with a capital “H” either, cause that’s very wrong too. The only names that really needs a capital letter are “Jayadvaita” and “Jay Israel”) A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Can you appreciate how super excellent I am? I am sure you dont. But I shall remind you again don’t worry. I am the Hare Krishna Messiah. Please worship me for your own good.” We will certainly worship you, mate. Just watch.
Those who want to be misled, will be mislead. There is no hindering it. It happened before and will happen again. It happened in the immediate post Prabhupada disappearance period with the Hansaduttas, Bhagavans, Jayatirtas and Harikeshas. Some members I met at the time had three successive “gurus” in a row and in a very short period.
This is regardingJayadvaita’s rendition of Brahma-Samhita 5.33 in the purport of BGAII 4.5.
In the Original Transcript (OT) Srila Prabhupada writes:
“I worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda [Krishna], Who is the Original Person, Absolute, Infallible, without any beginning. Although expanded in unlimited forms, He is still the same original, oldest person always appearing as a fresh youth. Such eternal, blissful, all-knowing forms of the Lord are usually understood by the best Vedic scholars, but they are always manifest to pure, unalloyed devotees.”
Hayagriva faithfully renders:
“I worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda [Krishna], who is the original Person, absolute, infallible, without beginning, although expanded into unlimited forms, still the same original, the oldest, and the person always appearing as a fresh youth. Such eternal, blissful, all-knowing forms of the Lord are usually understood by the best Vedic scholars, but they are always manifest to pure, unalloyed devotees.”
But Jayadvaita, the far superior intelligence, disagrees and gives:
“”I worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda [Krishna], who is the original person — absolute, infallible, without beginning. Although expanded into unlimited forms, He is still the same original, the oldest, and the person always appearing as a fresh youth. Such eternal, blissful, all-knowing forms of the Lord are usually not understood by even the best Vedic scholars, but they are always manifest to pure, unalloyed devotees.”
Please bring the she-ass and kick donkey Jayadvaita in the face for this betrayal of and insult to Srila Prabhupada indeed.
Where Srila Prabhupada is diplomatic, Jayadvaita is blunt and down right offensive: Offensive to Guru for falsely correcting Him and there is here also an insult to “the best Vedic scholars.” Who does donkey Jayadvaita think he is? And why does ISKCON and the BBT choose to insult “the best Vedic scholars” by supporting donkey Jayadvaita? Surely not a wise policy. Why does ISKCON and the BBT make themselves the conveyor of insulting words to outside parties by some arrogant nonsense like donkey Jayadvaita? Why???
Here we note also that among others, Srila Prabhupada uses capital letter for the pronoun “Who” when it relates to the Supreme Personality of Godhead and we ought to follow in His footsteps, including capital letters when pronouns and possessives relate to His Divine Grace, as “the spiritual master is to be honoured as much as the Supreme Personality of Godhead because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord ” (Gurvastakam 7, by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura ).
Both editors misinterpret “This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession….”,
whereas Srila Prabhupadsa clearly writes: ” This science of the relationship with the Supreme was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession..”
Srila Prabhupada very clearly defines what science He is talking about i.e. “the science of the relationship with the Supreme…”, whereas one person’s “supreme science”, as per editors, may be another’s neglected / rejected science in the relative world.
Such digressions are NOT acceptable and need consequently to be rejected out right!!!
The Bhagavad Gita where such illegal changes occur over and over again, as is the case here, is a bogus, non-parampara Bhagavad Gita. It is to be rejected.
To wilfully, shameless and whimsically change the message of the Acarya is a criminal undertaking and consequently law suit may follow in due course.
We are in the very early stage of building our case. So far roughly 115 texts have been examined out of a total of 700, that’s about 16 %.
We want to hear and repeat Srila Prabhupada’s original version not the speculating editor’s falsities and fantasies!
There are plenty of such instances throughout the text.
We are not follower of rascal editor Hayagriva
Neither are we follower of rascal editor Jayadvaita
Please top misleading the world into an unknown and unwanted direction.
We are follower of Srila Prabhupada, the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON, the founder of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust or BBT and the founder of the Back to Godhead magazine and writer of some 80 first class books on self realisation.
Both editors are obstacles on the path and they may be removed to gain direct access to Srila Prabhupada, our leader and Guru.
WE WANT PRABHUPADA VANI !!!
We dont want Hayagriva Vani and be cheated
Neither do we want Jayadvaita Vani and be cheated again.
WE WANT SRILA PRABHUPADA VANI As It Is. FULL STOP!
Prabhupada: Yes. If they are actually following strictly the principles of Jesus Christ, then sometimes when he meets some pure devotee, he will accept. The groundwork will be nice for accepting farther advancement. Just like Jesus Christ says, “Thou shall not kill.” So if anyone follows this principle — “No, I shall not kill” — then he becomes purified. But who is that Christian who is not killing? So where is follow? Amongst the Christians, the more killing process is going on very strongly. So who is a Christian? In that, if you disobey the first principle of Christianity, then where is your Christianity? Why you falsely claim that you are a Christian? “Thou shall not covet.” What is that next? Devotee: “Thou shalt not kill.” [break] Devotee: “Honor thy mother and father?” Devotee: There is one about no adulteration. Prabhupada: Yes. So adulteration is going on, killing is going on. So many disobedience to Christian principles. So where is the possibility of becoming a Christian?
Gurudas: “Honor thy mother and father” is not being respected. Prabhupada: Huh? Gurudas: “Honor thy mother and father” is not being respected. Prabhupada: Not… So many things. So, if you do not follow the principles of Christianity, simply by stamping yourself as Christian, will that do? So why Jesus Christ will be responsible for you, simply by stamping yourself that “I am Christian”? Is that very reasonable proposal? Nara-Narayana: Lord Jesus himself never claimed that he would be responsible. As a matter of fact, he would heal certain persons who by their karma were blind, or lame, some disease, even dead, he would bring them back to life, so many things. And then when he healed them, he invariably said after, he said, “Now go thou and sin no more, lest the worst thing befall you.” And he has been saved by Jesus personally, yet Jesus is saying, “lest the worst thing befall you.” How worst thing befall you if everything he does then is all right? So that means Jesus does not take that responsibility. Prabhupada: Yes. Why he should be responsible? If you are not a Christian, why he should be responsible? Now here he says that “Now you have sinned, full reaction I have washed, don’t do it again.” Nara-Narayana: Yeah. Prabhupada: But they are going to the church, confessing every week, and doing the same thing. Who is a Christian, first of all find out; then Jesus Christ will take responsibility. Devotee: They are gambling and eating flesh right in the churches, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: That’s all right. I mean to say, if you don’t follow the Christian principles, how you can claim yourself to become a Christian and how you can ask Jesus Christ to take responsibility for you? These are misleading; therefore people are coming disgusted. Otherwise, Christian religion is all right. It teaches love of Godhead, teaches to become moral, it teaches to love people. That’s nice. These are good principles. Visala: So, Srila Prabhupada, in the Bible it says, “Thou shalt not kill”, and the Christians say, “Yes, thou shalt not kill, but you can kill animals.” [indistinct] Prabhupada: That is rascaldom. Where it is written that “Thou shall not kill animals”? “Thou shall not kill.” “Thou shall not kill” means you shall not kill anything. [break] Devotee: …because Jesus ate fish. [laughter] Prabhupada: What is that? Devotee: He said, “The fish can say, ‘It’s not what goes in your mouth, its what comes out of your mouth that’s important.’ “ Gurudas: Because Jesus ate fish. Prabhupada: Jesus said? Gurudas: He said that the… [break] Prabhupada: [indistinct] allowed. Gurudas: But if there’s no vegetables, you have to eat something. Syamasundara: I read an article once that said… Prabhupada: No, no. The thing is that one has to eat. And whatever you eat, that is coming out of some living entity, even if you eat vegetables. The vegetable has also life, the tree, the plant. So the real explanation is that you take which is offered to Krsna. That is nice philosophy. Killing you have to do. Either you kill vegetable or animal, killing you have to do. Therefore our proposition is that you take the prasadam of Krsna, so if killing is bad, then the responsibility goes to Krsna. We take Krsna’s prasadam. So this is the method. And Bhagavad-gita says, yajna-sistasinah mucyante sarva kilbisaih. Suppose you don’t kill animal, but you kill vegetables, but still you are responsible. Bhunjate te agham papa ye pacanty atma-karanat [Bg 3.13]. [The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.] Anyone who is preparing food for his personal eating, he’s eating all sinful activities. It may be vegetables or animals, it doesn’t matter. Bhunjate te agham papa. So this is the best formula. But therefore, for crude people, those who are accustomed to killing, for them this is best advice: “Thou shall not kill”. Next stage — prasadam. First of all let them stop. Generally, what is meant by killing… Actually, vegetarians, they do not kill, because if you take fruit from the tree, the tree is not killed. Is it not? Devotee: Yes. Prabhupada: You take grains, just like paddy or wheat. These plants, after producing the fruit, the grain, automatically they die. You are not killing. So those who are taking fruits, vegetable, grains, they are not actually killing. You take the milk… What is milk? Milk is transformation of the blood. So cow’s milk means cow’s blood, but still the cow is not killed. Cow’s blood is nutritious, accepting this theory. Karnish[?], karnish it is called? Cow’s blood? What is the meaning of karnish[?]? But by nature’s way she is delivering you the blood, which is nutritious according to your science — but why you should kill her? So any circumstances, the direct killing is not approved by any sastra, any religion. Jiva himsa. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also says, nisiddhacara jiva-himsa [Cc Madhya 19.159]. So jiva himsa, violence upon other animals, that is against Vaisnava principle. You cannot be violent. You cannot kill. Lady devotee (2): “Thou shalt not kill” is one of the Ten Commandments, which is much older than Jesus’ teachings. Moses delivered the Ten Commandments to the people of Israel thousands of years before Jesus appeared. So they knew all of this before Jesus. Prabhupada: Huh? Lady devotee (2): They lived by the Ten Commandments, or were expected to, way before Jesus appeared. The Ten Commandments are Moses’…, it’s Moses’ teachings. Nara-Narayana: They were all very much meat-eaters, though. In the time of Moses all the laws of kashruth, how to sanitary slaughter, which is supposedly given by God, these were all for meat-eating. Gurudas: That came after the Book of Mishnah [a Talmudic book, considered to be the cornerstone of Judaism]. Mishnah recommends vegetarian. Nara-Narayana: Really? Gurudas: And also Lord Jesus says that if there is unnecessary killing of animal, that “By my hand you shall be slain.” In Genesis. He is stating, “Yes, one may kill, but if there is unnecessary killing, by my hand you shall be slain.” In Genesis. Lady devotee (1): Also, in Genesis is says that “The fruits and the herbs of the land shall be your meat.” It’s describing how man should live, and it says, “The fruits and herbs of the land shall be your meat.” Prabhupada: Yes, they were meat-eaters, so Jesus Christ replies that fruit should be your meat. Devotee: The whole key is that [indistinct] Jesus in one of his first meetings said that “Disregard everything that has been taught in the past and listen to me.” He speaks so many things, and he does not lay out so many basic principles about the eating of flesh, having illicit sex connections and so many things. He speaks just slightly touching the subject. He doesn’t really give any basic principles. So they always say, “Well, it’s okay to do this, it’s okay to do that, because Jesus said, ‘Forget everything that was said in the past.’ ” That’s their basic principle. Lady devotee (1): And he also said, “I’ve not come to change the law.” He did not come to change the law. Devotee: That’s just their standpoint. [indistinct] I don’t mean to argue. Syamasundara: The knowledge that we have of Jesus was not direct, but it was written down up to a hundred or two hundred years later in another language, called Aramaic, and scholars recently have discovered that wherever Jesus refers to fish, distributing fish, that that word actually refers to a type of sea plant that grows in the Sea of Galilee, which they make a type of bread out of. And it’s not really fish but a type of vegetarian bread. This is what I read in an article. So, we don’t have… [laughter] Lady devotee: Srila Prabhupada, there was a fish on Laksmi’s hand yesterday. The Deities in the temple, where Laksmi had her hand up like this, there was a fish here across her hand. What is this? Prabhupada: That is a mark. Mark. Lady devotee: It’s an auspicious sign. Prabhupada: Not actual fish. Lady devotee: Yes. Prabhupada: Not that Laksmiji eats fish. [laughter] There are many other marks also. Lady devotee: So it’s an auspicious mark. Would it be better if we gave up the eating of vegetables, then? Prabhupada: Hmm? Lady devotee: Would it be better if we gave up eating vegetables? Prabhupada: You cannot eat anything except krsna-prasadam. Even if we eat vegetables, that is also sin. Bhagavad-gita clearly says, bhunjate te agham papa, ye pacanty atma-karanat [Bg 3.13]. [The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.] If you prepare very nice pure foodstuff for eating yourself, then still you are eating sins. You have to prepare anything very nicely, offer it to Krsna, then you take. Then you will be free from all sin. Yajna-sistasinah santo. Even there is sin… Sin there must be. Just like you are cooking, you are taking water from the jug, there are so many germs you are killing. The killing responsibility is there. In the higher sense, “Thou shall not kill” means you have to take the prasadam of Krsna. Nara-Narayana: Jaya! Prabhupada: Otherwise, even you do ordinary killing, vegetable killing, you are killing so many germs. So in higher sense, if you take this principle of Bible, “Thou shall not kill,” that means you must eat krsna-prasadam; otherwise you will be killing. In whichever you do, it will be killing. So our process is perfect: take krsna-prasadam. Hmm?
Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation – December 12, 1971, Delhi
Supporting Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Jayadvaita represents a major lapse of judgment on the part of the ISKCON leadership and simultaneously makes ISKCON bogus with no standing whatsoever in the spiritual sphere.
This morning 27 dec 2024, I found a Christian publication “Rapsody of Realities”, which made me realize that the Bible is mostly talk, whereas the Bhagavad Gita is technical talk about self-realization.
Monday 23rd of December 2024. Brisbane, Australia, extreme eastern ocean suburbs. First of all, I was not even going to stop at this shopping centre at all, but due to its size I could not ignore it. So after parking my relatively large Samkirtan van not far from one shopping centre entry, on my second call I met one Indian gentleman at the Foreign Exchange booth. He used to come to ISKCON Brisbane in the Darra area but now he actively visits AND SUPPORTS Burbank Hare Krishna temple. This is simply a matter of convenience and nothing can be done about it. In that sense, a second temple in Burbank is a benediction for the population and the preaching effort. He agreed to purchase a Krishna Book.
On the fourth or so call I met one Indian lady in a variety shop. She asked for Hindi Bhagavad Gita, which I was able to supply. After examining the book, she was very pleased to receive her Hindi BGAII. That was my second Hindi Bhagavad Gita distributed since I decided to carry them. She even allowed me to take a couple of lanyards, which I needed for Krishna service.
At that time, I could observe that center management was preparing some action against my presence on their so called “private premisses”, as a female Security Officer was hovering around me and simultaneously talking into her communication system. Everything is owned and controlled by the Lord though. In that sense there are no private premises. Private premises are a creation of Maya, the illusory energy. And the reprensentative of Vishnu or the Vaishnava saint has got a priori right of access anywhere and everywhere to perform his preaching work. Of course, unless expressly invited, we have not interests in sensitive government defence premisses and the like. I merged into the crowd and approached another young Indian couple. I gave him my phone number and we agreed to meet later, as he was queuing for Santa Pictures with his family. Some insincere individuals will invent some pretext to avoid the matter. But that was clearly not the case here.
I sensed that Center Management intervention was about to happen and quietly sat on a bench. A male security officer came and warned me that if I did not desist and leave willingly and immediately, center management would use force to remove me. This is generally what happens and at this stage of historical development, we have no alternative but to cease and desist. But I trust there certainly is a legal way to establish the Vaishnava Preacher’s rights to go anywhere and everywhere to preach the glories of the Lord as happens in India. At the present stage instead, we are considered common sales people and treated as such and the wise way is to obey the orders of center management.
But on my way out and by the Lord’s arrangement, I met Akshaya again and his young family. He agreed to come to my Samkirtan van. He is a very pleasant individual, easy to talk to. No artificiality about him ! He is a geologist by trade and works now in the IT departement in a geology company. Most Indians I meet work in IT, where brain is needed. He accepted Krishna Book and commented that he was just looking for some reading material. I retorted that Krishna Book is Lord Krishna’s special arrangement for him to satisfy his reading hunger. He stated that Akshaya means “unlimited.” And I replied that in the ISKCON early days, we had an Akshayananda Swami from New Zealand, temple president in Vrindavan and that I was his temple commander in early 1977. To seal the deal, I suddenly realised and remembered by Krishna’s kind mercy that I had one single Mangal Aratik sweet left in the van. I offered it to him. He accepted as a matter of fact. I left my details with him and he left to join his young family again.
On the whole we see that Lord Krishna had a precise plan to supply 3 of His books to 3 individuals who were already advanced in Krishna consciousness. And I was able to contact these three individuals in the window of opportunity defined by the Center management’s intervention. This happens often under various circumstances. So speed and resolve of action are important components for success in such situations.
Lord Krishna cared for me further as there was ample prasadam left at the temple even though I arrived 50 minutes late due to driving across town..
Number one: Srila Prabhupada for everything. If one could turn the camera 380 degrees, I could probably be seen in this shot. It was taken near Frankfurt, Germany, perhaps in Kelkeim, where we had organised a program for Srila Prabhupada. The three devotees seen in the back ground are respectively from left to right: Sriman Nispapa Prabhu, Sriman Cakravarty Prabhu and Sriman Achedhya Prabhu.
Number two and three ex aequo:
His Holiness BB Govinda Maharaja and His Holiness Kadamba Kanana Maharaja (departed but always lives with us in sound:
He reasons ill who says that Vaishnavas die When thou art living still in Sound! The Vaishnavas die to live and living try To spead the holy life around!
Ref. VedaBase => A Poem on the Passing of Thakur Haridas
Both Maharajas perform extraordinarily lively and enthusing kirtans. Or as Mother Aditi puts it:”high energy kirtans where you can taste the spiritual bliss.” She is obviously a Rasika Bhaktin.
I have been suggesting that we may use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PeP-jBKKis by HH BB Govinda Maharaja as the anthem for the World Wide Krishna Consciousness Movement (WWKCM). In these sweetest kirtans, bliss is just contagious. Here we don’t even have to simulate bliss first to attain bliss. Simply listen / hear and enjoy!
His Holiness Bhakti Bringa Maharaja is my God brother. What a privilege for me! And I just found this very wonderful picture of HH. The colors and lights are just astounding! But HH Kadamba Kanana Maharaja is my God nephew and his disciple Nitai Pada Kamala Prabhu, who is also travelling the world spreading the holy name, is third generation. Whence my suggestion that everyone may signify his Prahupada-gotra by adding (acbspx), X is number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc , according to one’s position. Sriman Nitai Pada Kamala Prabhu would be carrying the number 3, as he personally pointed out to me in our last conversation in Brisbane, Australia. So the time factor is very active as always. And soon we shall have number 10 ,.. 50 ,…and 100. etc etc…..
Just see Maharaja’s absorption and the wonderfull colour combinations and contrasts!
“The Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krishna, said: I instructed this imperishable science of the relationship with the Supreme to the sun-god of the name Vivasvan and Vivasvan instructed the same to his son Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in his turn instructed the same to his son Iksvaku.”
Hayagriva gives:
“The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.
Ref. VedaBase => Bg 4.1, 1972
and Jayadvaita:
“The Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krsna, said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku.”
Ref. VedaBase => Bg 4.1
Notwithstanding his dislike for the expression “the Supreme Personality of Godhead”, for which he takes the illegal freedom to change into “the Blessed Lord” Hayagriva and Jayadvaita drop the word “son” twice. Why do that? Either positive or negative, the relationship between son and father is of a very personal nature. So this a perfect example of impersonalism, which Srila Prabhupada wants to eradicate as per His second pranam mantra:
“Sanatana Gosvami and Rupa Gosvami belonged to the Bharadvaja-gotra, which indicates that they belonged either to the family or disciplic succession of Bharadvaja Muni. As members of the Krsna consciousness movement we belong to the family, or disciplic succession, of Sarasvati Gosvami, and thus we are known as Sarasvatas. Obeisances are therefore offered to the spiritual master as sarasvata-deva, or a member of the Sarasvata family (namas te sarasvate deve), whose mission is to broadcast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu (gaura-vani-pracarine) and to fight with impersonalists and voidists (nirvisesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine). This was also the occupational duty of Sanatana Gosvami, Rupa Gosvami and Anupama Gosvami.’ Ref. VedaBase => Adi 10.84
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