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According to Srila Prabhupada Himself, The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is 10.17 gives:

Text 10.17

O Krishna, O Supreme Personality of Godhead, please let me know how I shall think of You and how I shall know you and how You shall be remembered.

Purport 10.17

As it is stated in the previous chapter, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is covered by yoga-maya. Nobody can see Him except the devotees and surrendered souls. Now Arjuna is convinced of his friend Krishna, but he wants to know the general process by which the all-pervading Krishna can be understood by the common man. Except for the devotee, no common man, including demons and atheistic persons can know Krishna because He is guarded by the yoga-maya energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. For their own benefit, Arjuna asks these questions so that these persons will be able to understand. The high-grade devotee is not only concerned about his own understanding, he is also concerned about the understanding of all persons in the world. Because Arjuna is a Vaishnava, a devotee, by his own mercy he is opening the understanding for the common man, how the common man can understand the all-pervasiveness of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Arjuna specifically addresses Him as yogin, because Sri Krishna is the master of the yoga-maya energy by which He is covered and uncovered to the common man. The common man, who has no love for Krishna, cannot think of Krishna always, therefore he has to think materially. (and where Krishna exists therefore is Krishna) Arjuna is considering the modes of thinking of the materialistic persons of the world. The words “keshu keshu ca bhaveshu” refer to material nature. Bhaveshu or bhava means the material things. Because spiritually we cannot understand Krishna, therefore we should concentrate our mind on the physical things, how Krishna is manifested in those physical presentations. 

Speculative Hayagriva offers his own version of the very same thing as:

Hayagriva TRANSLATION 10.17

How should I meditate on You? In what various forms are You to be contemplated, O Blessed Lord?

Hayagriva PURPORT 10.17

As it is stated in the previous chapter, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is covered by His yoga-maya. Only surrendered souls and devotees can see Him. Now Arjuna is convinced that His friend, Krsna, is the Supreme Godhead, but he wants to know the general process by which the all-pervading Lord can be understood by the common man. No common man, including the demons and atheists, can know Krsna because He is guarded by His yoga-maya energy. Again, these questions are asked by Arjuna for their benefit. The superior devotee is not only concerned for his own understanding, but for the understanding of all mankind. Out of his mercy, because he is a Vaisnava, a devotee, Arjuna is opening the understanding for the common man as far as the all-pervasiveness of the Supreme is concerned. He addresses Krsna specifically as yogin because Sri Krsna is the master of the yoga-maya energy by which He is covered and uncovered to the common man. The common man who has no love for Krsna cannot always think of Krsna; therefore he has to think materially. Arjuna is considering the mode of thinking of the materialistic persons of this world. Because materialists cannot understand Krsna spiritually, they are advised to concentrate the mind on physical things and try to see how Krsna is manifested by physical representations.

and smart ass Jayadvaita offers the following:

Jayavaita TRANSLATION 10.17

O Krsna, O supreme mystic, how shall I constantly think of You, and how shall I know You? In what various forms are You to be remembered, O Supreme Personality of Godhead?

Jayadvaita PURPORT 10.17

As it is stated in the previous chapter, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is covered by His yoga-maya. Only surrendered souls and devotees can see Him. Now Arjuna is convinced that His friend, Krsna, is the Supreme Godhead, but he wants to know the general process by which the all-pervading Lord can be understood by the common man. Common men, including the demons and atheists, cannot know Krsna, because He is guarded by His yoga-maya energy. Again, these questions are asked by Arjuna for their benefit. The superior devotee is concerned not only for his own understanding but for the understanding of all mankind. So Arjuna, out of his mercy, because he is a Vaisnava, a devotee, is opening for the common man the understanding of the all-pervasiveness of the Supreme Lord. He addresses Krsna specifically as yogin because Sri Krsna is the master of the yoga-maya energy, by which He is covered and uncovered to the common man. The common man who has no love for Krsna cannot always think of Krsna; therefore he has to think materially. Arjuna is considering the mode of thinking of the materialistic persons of this world. The words kesu kesu ca bhavesu refer to material nature (the word bhava means “physical things”). Because materialists cannot understand Krsna spiritually, they are advised to concentrate the mind on physical things and try to see how Krsna is manifested by physical representations.

ANALYTICAL COMMENTS:

THE VERSE.

There are three elements in Srila Prabhupada’s verse:

One. How to think of Krishna

Two. How to Know Krishna

And three. How to remember Krishna.

In his presentation, Hayagriva drops two of them: how to know Krishna and how to remember Him. And as usual he abhors the expression “the Supreme Personality of Godhead” and again dares to replace it with his own concoction “the Blessed Lord”, whatever that means and whatever the origin of this expression is.

His formulation of how to meditate and how to contemplate are simply a repetition in itself and rendition of Srila Prabhupada’s “how to think”. So in his clumsiness he simply ignores “how to know and how to remember Krishna”

To his credit, Jayadvaita restores all three elements. Rightly or wrongly, he also adds the expression “O supreme mystic.”

In both cases the courteous form of expression and address containing the adverb “please” is abandoned.

THE PURPORT

It is extremely offensive to Srila Prabhupada and damaging to ISKCON, His movement, to present Him to the world As He Is NOT, especially in a bad light, as a sexist individual for example. And this both editors are doing very often.

The first sentence is common to all three rendition. No problems there.

And what is wrong with Srila Prabhupada second sentence? Why has it be changed? : “Nobody can see him except the devotees and surrendered souls?” We noticed how these two editors have a visceral dislike and aversion for Srila Prabhupada’s use of the word “nobody” and systematically replaced it with “no one” or just drop “nobody” as is the case in this passage. To use “nobody” does not mean that the author is in the bodily concept of life, whereas a systematic aversion for the word could mean the presence of a bodily concept of life.

under construction…….

Besides being a cheater and a misleader, Jayadvaita is such a shameless and disrespectful IDIOT. He eats something, masticates it for a while, add his dirty saliva and then spits it out. AND HE EXPECTS US TO ACCEPT THAT as Prabhupada maha-prasadam! What supreme arrogance and deceit! And what an IMPOSTER!

THAT’S WHAT HE DOES WITH SRILA PRABHUPADA’S GREAT BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS

Thus putting up a deceitful and non-transparent Jayadvaita wall between the world and Srila Prabhupada.

He constantly rearranges Srila Prabhupada’s own text for no reason and when there is no necessity for it at all. So we are NOT GETTING SRILA PRABHUPADA. WE ARE GETTING JAYADVAITA. THAT MEANS HE IS AN IMPOSTER AND A TRAITOR TO SRILA PRABHUPADA AS WELL. WE WANT SRILA PRABHUPADA! WE REJECT JAYADVAITA!

Usurper, usurper Acharya, imposter, imposter Acharya, a sly subverter, cheater, traitor to Srila Prabhupada, a maha offender at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada, morally corrupt are appropriate words under the circumstances. And arrogant like anything.

WE FEEL HIS TOTAL DISDAIN for the rest of the world and we see it on his face too.

“Hey folks, I am the superior intellectual here, even though I am just a 3rd class Vaishya with no philosophical clout, you just take it or leave it. Who cares anyway.” That is his true message.

We only feel disgust for him.

PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE AGAIN AND AGAIN to put him in his proper place and prevent him from mingling in the Acharya’s business.

The kicking is Srila Prabhupada’s original idea, not mine. So it is bona fide. Srila Prabhupada also advises to use boots for the deed.

The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is 2.21:

Verse

O Partha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn, and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?

Purport.

Everything has its proper utility, and a man who is situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing for its proper utility. Similarly violence has also its utility and it depends on the person in knowledge how to apply violence. Just like the justice of peace awards capital punishment to a person condemned for murder, but the justice of peace cannot be blamed, because he orders violence to another person according to the codes of justice. In Manu-Samhita, the law book for mankind, it is supported that a murderer should be condemned to death, so that in the next life he does not require to suffer for the great sin he has committed. Therefore the king’s punishment to hang a murderer is actually beneficial to him. Similarly, when Krishna orders fighting it must be concluded that such violence is for supreme justice, and as such Arjuna should follow the instruction, knowing it well that such violence committed in the act of fighting for justice is not at all violence. Because at any rate the man or the soul is not going to be killed, but for the administration of justice, so-called violence is permitted. A surgical operation is not meant to kill the patient, but it is meant for his cure. Therefore the instigation for fighting to be executed by Arjuna, in terms of the instruction of Krishna is with full knowledge, and there is no possibility of sinful reaction in such activities of Krishna and Arjuna. 

The allotted reward is AU$ 1000.00. Evidence will be required.

AND GET HIM AND HIS ILLUSORY AND DISTORTED BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS NOT out of the way for good, once and for all.

This also represents an appeal to the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust or BBT.

Signed: The Krishna Conscious Observer- TKCO

tkco16108@gmail.com

On this picture, probably in Vrndavan, besides Srila Prabhupada, we see Pusta Krishna Swami, who was Prabhupada secretary at the time, on the right we see Tripurari Swami, a big book distrtributor in the USA, so big was he that Srila Prabhupada hesitated to award him sannyasa as He was concerned that his book distribution would suffer. Behind Srila Prabhupada there is Pancadravida Swami to whom Prabhupada told once something like “Lucky you are a swami because no woman would ever accept you.” And behind Pusta Krishna we discern Aksoyananda Swami from New Zealand. He was Vrndavan temple president for a while and I became his temple commander in JAN 1977. But that arrangement did not last as I rapidly contracted jaundice. It was a wild time. Usually some one would just come up to you, look into your eyes and give a jaundice diagnosis because jaundice makes eyes yellow.

arjuna uvaca

param brahma param dhama pavitram paramam bhavan
purusam sasvatam divyam adi-devam ajam vibhum

ahus tvam rsayah sarve devarsir naradas tatha
asito devalo vyasah svayam caiva bravisi me

Word for word translation

arjunah uvaca — Arjuna said; param — supreme; brahma — truth; param — supreme; dhama — sustenance; pavitram — pure; paramam — supreme; bhavan — You; purusam — personality; sasvatam — eternal; divyam — transcendental; adi-devam — the original Lord; ajam — unborn; vibhum — greatest; ahuh — say; tvam — of You; rsayah — sages; sarve — all; deva-rsih — the sage among the demigods; naradah — Narada; tatha — also; asitah — Asita; devalah — Devala; vyasah — Vyasa; svayam — personally; ca — also; eva — certainly; bravisi — You are explaining; me — unto me.

TRANSLATION

Text 10.12-13 Arjuna said: My dear Krishna, I understand that You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Ultimate, the Purest and the Absolute Truth. You are a person from time immemorial, transcendental, original, without birth, beautiful and the greatest. All the great sages like Narada, Asita, Devala, Vyasa, everyone, confirms this truth and You Yourself also explained it to me.

Purport.

In these two verses of the tenth chapter undoubtedly the Supreme Lord gives a chance to the modern philosophers, expressing that the Supreme is different from the individual soul. So Arjuna, after hearing the four essential verses of the Bhagavad Gita in this chapter, became completely free from all doubts about Krishna being the Supreme Personality of Godhead and he at once boldly declared that: “You are Parambrahma, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” The previous statements of Krishna that He is the originator of everything and everyone, every demigod, every human being establishes that all are dependent on Him. In the Gitopanishad it is confirmed as follows: men or demigods out of ignorance think that they are absolute, without any dependence on the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That ignorance is removed perfectly by discharge of devotional service. This is already explained in the previous verse by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Now by His grace, Arjuna is accepting Krishna as the Supreme Truth in concordance with the Vedic injunction. It is not because Krishna is the intimate friend of Arjuna that he is flattering Him by calling Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth. But whatever he says in these two verses is a confirmation of the Vedic truth. The Vedic injunction affirms that only one who takes shelter of devotional service for understanding the Supreme Lord, he only can understand, whereas others cannot. Each and every word of this verse spoken by Arjuna is corroborated by the Vedic injunction.

And it will be very good to discuss some of the mantras from the Kena Upanishad in this connection. The Kena Upanishad states as follows: The Supreme Brahman is the rest of everything. The Lord has already explained that everything is resting on Him. The Kena Upanishad confirms that the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Whom everything is resting can be realized only by such persons who are engaged in constantly thinking of Him. This constant thinking of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is smaranam, one of the different methods of devotional service. Only such persons who are engaged in devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead can understand and get rid of this material body. In the Vedas, the Supreme Lord is accepted as the Supreme, the purest of the pure. One who can understand this Supreme Personality of Godhead as the purest of the pure, he alone becomes purified from all sinful activities. Nobody can be disinfected from sinful activities without being a surrendered soul to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore Arjuna’s acceptance of Krishna as the Supreme Pure is according to the version of the Vedic literature. This is also confirmed by great personalities of whom Narada is the chief.

Therefore Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and one should always meditate upon Him and then he enjoys the transcendental relationship and this devotional service is recommended in the Vedic literature. He is the only Supreme Existence. He is free from bodily needs, birth and death. So Arjuna confirms this Vedic injunction. Not only Arjuna confirms this, but all Vedic literature, the Puranas and histories and everything, everywhere Krishna is described as follows. And the Supreme Lord also says in the fourth chapter: “ Although I am unborn, I appear on the earth for establishing the religious principles.” Anyone who understand Him as the Supreme Origin, without any cause, as the cause of all causes, and that everything emanates from Him has perfect knowledge. This perfect knowledge can be obtained by the grace of the Supreme Lord, as Arjuna expresses himself through the grace of Krishna. 

If we therefore want to understand Bhagavad Gita, we should follow the statements in these two verses. This is called the parampara system or acceptance of the disciplic succession. And without being in the disciplic succession nobody can understand the Bhagavad Gita simply by so-called academic education. Unfortunately the atheistic persons, in spite of so many evidences of Vedic literature and confirmation by great personalities, being proud of their academic education, will stick to their only obstinate conviction that Krishna is an ordinary person. 

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On this picture we see HG Srutakirti Prabhu massaging Srila Prabhupada. This picture could be in Germany as per heating elements. Sruta Kirti Prabhu wrote “What is the difficulty?” Intimate moments in the personal service of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. A fabulous account of his time spend in the personal service of His Divine Grace! Highly recommended reading!

In The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 10.9, which intends to be THE MOST FAITHFUL RENDITION OF SRILA PRABHUPADA BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS and opposes both the Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Hayagriva and opposes just as well the Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Jayadvaita, as being both bogus, unauthorised, speculative and non-parampara, Srila Prabhupada writes as follows:

“”Pure devotees are those who thoroughly understand the Supreme Personality, become fully engaged in His service, and talk about Him, and preach about Him and thus are satisfied and enjoy spiritual bliss.” The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 10.9.

So from this verse we see that there are 6 qualifying elements to a PRABHUPADA pure devotee as follows:

ONE. His thorough knowledge of Krishna. So extremely learned in Shastra.

TWO. Engages permanently 24/24 and 365/365 in Krishna’s loving service.

THREE. They talk amongst themselves about Krishna.

FOUR. He / She is a preacher, or a gosthy-anandis, as opposed to a bhajananandi.

FIVE. A satisfied individual, sane and well balanced.

SIX. Enjoys spiritual bliss. He / she is on the transcendental platform of sat, cit and ananda, well beyond the three modes of material nature.

As stated above The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is intends to be THE MOST FAITHFUL RENDITION OF SRILA PRABHUPADA BHAGAVAD GITA AS IT IS and opposes both the Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Hayagriva and opposes just as well the Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Jayadvaita as being both bogus, unauthorised, speculative and non-parampara. Fasten your seat belts and prepare for possible turbulences ahead.

Please remember Srila Prabhupada at Stinson beach in 1967, when He asked one of His female disciples to please chant Hare Krishna to a slug on the wall. Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita, Vol 3, by His Holiness Satsvarupa Das Goswami.

“Govinda dasi: Swamiji would sit on a little couch with a table before him, and Gaurasundara and Kirtanananda and I would sit on the floor, and we would all eat together, like a family. We would talk, and one time the subject was rice. Kirtanananda said, “White rice is for human beings, and brown rice is for animals.” So I said, “I must be an animal, then, because I really like brown rice better.” And Swamiji just laughed and laughed and laughed. He thought it was so funny. I guess it did sound pretty simple. But he laughed and laughed.
Prabhupada was sitting in the back yard when Govinda dasi saw a large slug climbing on a wall. She showed it to Prabhupada. “Chant to the poor thing,” he said, and she began to chant Hare Krsna.”

Ref. VedaBase => SPL 25: “Our Master Has Not Finished His Work”

The point being the sound vibration

Hare Krishna Hare Krishna

Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama 

Rama Rama Hare Hare

benefits everyone, irrespective of bodies.

Also please note the very first class slashing service by our neighbour Bh Kevin, equipped with heavy duty slashing machinery at AU$200 000 a pop.

Further more in the next verse BGAII 10.9, Srila Prabhupada gives a clear definition of a “pure devotee.”

“Pure devotees are those who thoroughly understand the Supreme Personality, become fully engaged in His service, and talk about Him, and preach about Him and thus are satisfied and enjoy spiritual bliss.” The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is 10.9

So from this verse we see that there are 6 qualifying elements to a pure devotee as follows:

ONE. His thorough knowledge of Krishna

TWO. permanently 24/24 and 365/365 engages in Krishna service

THREE. They talk amongst themselves about Krishna.

FOUR. He / She is a preacher.

FIVE. A satisfied individual

SIX. Enjoys spiritual bliss

Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by HAYAGRIVA and Illusory Bhagavad Gita As It Is NOT by Jayadvaita ARE BOTH 1000 % SEXIST. I may have pointed out this BGAII 2.67 example previously. But I shall repeat it again, because this example is truly dynamite.

Just as it takes only one single mistake in a 700 steps long mathematical operation to obtain a false end result, similarly it will take only one iron clad example to prove both presentations of current BGAII as UTTER NONSENSE, in relation to Srila Prabhupada’s true wishes and expectations.

Verse 2.67 is it!!!

It also means that Srila Prabhupada is misrepresented to the world as a sexist individual, which He is not at all. Srila Prabhupada is fully Krishna conscious. A Krishna conscious person is never sexist, nor racist, nor ageist, nor any -ist at all. He or she is just perfectly situated in his or her Krishna consciousness.

The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is gives for 5.18:

“5.18 On account of his true knowledge and humble nature, one who is thus situated in Krishna consciousness, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog eater (outcast).” 

Some other foolish rascals speculate that Srila Prabhupada presents things as they appear to be due to cultural heritage.

IN EVERY CASE, WHAT A MAHA or SUPER INSULT TO SRILA PRABHUPADA for FALSELY presenting HIS DIVINE GRACE AS A SEXIST INDIVIDUAL TO THE WHOLE WORLD !!!

It is also extremely offensive to women. Srila Prabhupada rightly credits women with intelligence, whereas the sexist offenders Hayagriva and Jayadavaita positively withdraw that intelligence with their falsely altered formulation of BGAII 2.67.

The facts:

From OT available here https://bookchanges.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/02-Chapter2.pdf, we understand this is what Srila Prabhupada wants BGAII 2.67 to be:

“2.67 As an unfavourable wind sweeps away a boat on the water, similarly even one out of the many senses on which the mind constantly focuses can carry away a person’s intelligence.”

……..versus Hayagriva’s bogus and sexist presentation:

“As a boat on the water is swept away by a strong wind, even one of the senses on which the mind focuses can carry away a man’s intelligence.”

and versus Jayadvaita’s own bogus and sexist presentation:

“As a strong wind sweeps away a boat on the water, even one of the roaming senses on which the mind focuses can carry away a man’s intelligence.

Clearly Srila Prabhupada types “can take away the intelligence of the person”

He does not type “can take away the intelligence of a man”

Or even less does He type”can take away the intelligence of the male person”

He purposefully uses the word “person” to include both gender. Srila Prabhupada is a perfect yogi and everything He does, He does it consciously and with a clear designated purpose. Nothing is left to chance in Srila Prabhupada ‘s thinking and actions.

Clearly this bogus and unauthorised change has been effected by the 2 sexist editors due to prejudice against women. And that is the very definition of SEXISM.

More over Srila Prabhupada is an equal opportunity advocate, He advocates equal opportunity for men and women. This seems to be proven in the following statement from Prabhupada-lila. Additional pastimes of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabupada. Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Chapter two. Seattle. September-October 1968. Page 7. All glories to its author His Holiness Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, who seems to be a self-effacing personality, as we dont hear much of him at all. But however deserves great credit for his faithfull biography of Srila Prabhupada.

“Prabhupada took advantage of the presence of the traveling sankirtana party in Seattle. He told Tamala Krsna he wanted to organize a world sankirtana party, with twelve men, twelve women, and himself going all over the world. But for the present, the devotees went out daily in the downtown city.”

I have discovered this statement only a few days ago. and it seems to clearly prove not only that Srila Prabhupada is a supporter of equal gender opportunity, but also that if we dont constantly read, study scrutinizingly and take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, the only alternative is MAYA or ILLUSION. So let us be sure to make the right choice now, as not to regret the wrong choice later.

SO LET THE CATHARSIS BEGIN!!!

Just today 25th of February 2025, I noticed that Srila Prabhupada supplies an extra details in writing “even one sense OUT OF THE MANY”. This details is sorely lacking in both bogus versions but will be given in The Challenge Bhagavad Gita As It Is.